Teaparty suggestions to fix welfare

For thirty years, we've been hearing the tale of 'welfare queens' living in luxury on the taxes paid by salesmen. In the 1990's a Republican Congress changed welfare so that now there are 1/4th the number of welfare clients. About 4 million of them are children and 1 million or so are the adults, often the mother of the children. So it should be fairly easy to identify which families have been on welfare since then in order to make sure they don't continue.

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One of the problems might be a national registry of who's on welfare, as all clients are paid from distributions from the federal government to the states that run their versions of welfare. A social security account is one way to track such generations across state lines, so there's no need to make a new database. The state databases should be enough to keep track of people re-applying after their time runs out. Also. all clients are eligible for Medicaid, so they're listed there. There's a 5 year lifetime limitation on welfare; but states can extend that; so Teaparty members need to be assigned to make decisions as to who gets no more help, ever - liberals wouldn't have the heart. That liberal attitude might be why there seems to be so many generations getting welfare against the law.

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It's one thing to restrict freedom of citizens to sell guns, but quite another to prevent registration of welfare clients. Registering the poor could prevent them from violent crime using weapons if they can ever afford a gun.

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Most state laws in the past few years have been templates provided by The American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC). As most states can come up with laws that are almost, if not identical, within a few months to limit voting hours and outlaw abortion, they can also come up with laws to limit welfare to the amount of time to help people, either none or some state agreement of length of years. All that is necessary is for enough conservatives to tell their representatives. As Republicans have gerrymandered most low population districts to their will, they should be able to almost eliminate welfare.

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Some suggestions are that education will help keep clients off the rolls. As all children, including children on welfare, are required to attend school, that should help them move on. They should use that education to make sure they aren't on welfare in the future.

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The threat of having people on welfare buy drugs is ever-present, as many are depressed that they really aren't making a contribution to society, though some don't care. A drug test for all adults that lose their job and need to find some help shouldn't be a burden, as many of them had to take a drug test when they had the job. A welfare client that passes the drug test to get the check can get regular drug tests at little financial burden, other than getting the family to the testing facility, as they are eligible for Medicaid.

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The purpose is to prevent people from becoming lazy by being helped too much; so going to churches to talk to the charity committees to limit the help they provide, and to make sure the church gives no more help to future generations of those they are helping now would prevent making future generations dependent. If the poor don't like it, they can leave. Then the 'welfare queen' story will become a myth.

 

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  1. livelonger

    I wonder about teabaggers not being able to hold down jobs. The pictures with the signs may be a reason to come to that conclusion. In discussions with the ones on the web, they seem to be real estate salesmen and members of the Chamber of Commerce and Rotary. It seems their main genre is to pump up their own self image to explain competition and greed as virtues, by dumping on the poor as a cause of taxes keeping them from having enough profit to impress others.
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    When pressed to come up with solutions to welfare, they return to the complaints. When cornered they claim they don’t know what any solutions suggested by others mean. It makes them uncomfortable to ‘bust their bubble’ of gathered myths. It’s more like talking to a timeshare salesman, who will help save you money by selling you a week in a resort for only $20,000 and $800 yearly maintenance, though you can buy a week for $1000 each year. Salesmen only present a certain fixed view; that’s why they seem to be mostly real estate or other salesmen in web discussions.
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    “Several polls have been conducted on the demographics of the movement. Though the various polls sometimes turn up slightly different results, they tend to show that Tea Party supporters tend more likely than Americans overall to be white, male, married, older than 45, regularly attending religious services, conservative, and to be more wealthy and have more education.”
    Wikipedia.

    July 08, 2013
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  3. livelonger

    Seems simple to fix, as described above. Have welfare clients on a national list available to all states with Social Security numbers. Enforce the state laws that should prevent ‘professional welfare cheats’, ‘welfare queens’, and ‘welfare generations.’

    July 08, 2013
  4. hotncold

    The system has been broken for so many decades, why is it that at this time in the present the “tea party” is at fault? The cause for all of this mess can been blame on both parties, democrats and, republicans. By having the welfare system in place it ensure that both parties will always survive when it’s time for those that need to stay on the system will cast their votes for those parties that will keep the system alive.

    Besides all of America knows that the Obama’s spend more money on their extravagant vacations then what is spent on welfare…..
    Even the IRS waste more money than those on welfare.

    July 08, 2013
  5. livelonger

    “The system has been broken for so many decades”
    With that as a starting premise; there’s little shown about how it really works to be a help to 5.5 million people who otherwise would be in deep trouble.

    July 08, 2013
    1. hotncold

      Helping the truly needy is not in question, but those that cheat the system are the ones that may be hurting those that have a real need for it. One of the major reason that it is broken may not be because of those that know how to cheat the system, it is because of those politicians (not the tea party) the people become dependent on it. It has serves their purpose for many decades when it comes to being voted in time and, time again, to protect their own political careers.

      To simply pass the blame on one political party only shows bias, when in fact all political parties have a hand in this mess. If they truly want to fix it, all they have to do is to enforce the laws and policies that they already have in place. But of course this is not the case, for decades every administration have chosen to ignore it for political expediency. Even when it comes to immigration, the same applies. The truth may be that there are no real answers to this dilemma because, so many people are already too dependent on the “welfare” system. The welfare program started out with the best of “intentions,” but like all ‘good’ intentions abuse will find it way into it and, the tentacles of the politicians, that will use it to promote more dependencies on it, for their own political “welfare!” To blame one side for all this is flaw to say the least. Most will think that when it comes to politics it is “one” sided, the truth may be it is “one” sided, their side, or the side we deem that benefits our own bias. One thing for sure, those politicians will say and, do anything for the survival of their political career.

      July 10, 2013
    2. livelonger

      More baloney. You have no clue as to how many on state welfare are cheating the system; it’s a myth you propose to hurt the poor. If you know of any first hand cheating, then visit the welfare office to report them. You might find out why that family is on welfare then. You enjoy pretending to be smart about something you know nothing, so you can pontificate about government. Either you know cheaters so you can report them, or you’re hallucinating.
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      To put it more precisely, those mostly single mothers with their children become dependent by being foolish in planning their future and are unskilled enough not to be needed for a corporation. They either have no extended family to cover their needs, or are outcast.
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      So you’re right in the sense that they become dependent. You aren’t however, saying how to prevent that from happening. You seem to be saying that political parties have a plan to make sure there will be dependent mothers and children. It could be that the men in politics are making young women pregnant, then abandoning them. In that, you can be right, as there’s no plan to make sure that 25% of the nation become employable. Men on welfare for long periods are generally unemployable.
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      I find that your insistence that there’s a grand political plan of every politician to make voters out of the poor is ignorant and useless; just another denial that progressives and colleges have studied poverty for a century and came up with the best they can. Making up voter registration laws to eliminate voters isn’t the way to get the poor to vote, as minorities are among the poor. Either you help, or you imply that ‘negligent homicide’ will create prosperity for the taxpayer.
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      You obviously have no clue as to the legislative battle that has defined the present system, or the changes that came about from discussion a quarter century ago.
      http://www-cgi.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/news/9608/22/welfare.sign/
      There is no one ‘welfare system’. If you want to get on those who run welfare, go to each and every state, as they run their own versions.
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      State welfare is designed to help parents become employable and not ever be on welfare again. Those on welfare are on the bottom of the employment list after laid-off workers and college grads, if they are employable at all. That’s the plain facts than need to be addressed before taking the ‘ultimate solution’ and ignore them (the implied solution by conservatives, especially for minorities.) I expect that comments will be that’s ‘too far over the top’ to even pay attention to – in order not to pay attention to learning enough about the welfare system to improve it at the state level.
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      Most whines are designed to eliminate welfare from a state, so the poor in that state have to move to a state with welfare. California is fighting that by making employers pay enough to keep their employees off the supplemental income roles so they don’t have to file for welfare.
      http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/06/03/california-to-wal-mart-enough-no-more-taxpayer-subsidized-profits-for-you/2/
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      You’re post is the typical conservative whine with no solutions based on spreading the myth that no government is better than the one we have because there are political parties- an anarchist baby dream.

      July 10, 2013