Snowden, the World, Making a Fool of Obama

Snowden, the World, Making a Fool of Obama

Analysis: For Obama, a world of Snowden troubles


(Reuters) - Since his first day in office, President Barack Obama's foreign policy has rested on outreach: resetting ties with Russia, building a partnership with China and offering a fresh start with antagonistic leaders from Iran to Venezuela.
But the global travels on Sunday of former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden highlight the limits of that approach. Leaders Obama has wooed - and met recently - were willing to snub the American president.
The cocky defiance by so-called "non-state actors" - Snowden himself and the anti-secrecy group, WikiLeaks, completes the picture of a world less willing than ever to bend to U.S. prescriptions of right and wrong.
Snowden flew out of Hong Kong, the semi-autonomous Chinese territory, early on Sunday after Hong Kong authorities rebuffed a U.S. request to detain him pending extradition to the United States for trial. Snowden has acknowledged leaking details of highly classified NSA surveillance programs.
Beijing may merely have wished to get rid of a potential irritant in its multifaceted relationship with Washington. But Snowden's next stop was Russia, a U.S. "frenemy" in which the friend factor has been harder to spot since President Vladimir Putin returned to power in May 2012.
WikiLeaks, which says it is helping the 30-year-old Snowden, said via Twitter that he intended to go to Ecuador, whose government has antagonistic relations with Washington. Ecuador's foreign minister, Ricardo Patino Aroca, said, also via Twitter, that his government had received an asylum request from Snowden.

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Folks, it looks like Obama just can't get a break.  In his quest to create this liberal utopia where everything is fair and the rich are paying their fair share, where we can open the borders and provide free health care for everyone.   However, Obama has run into another 'Bump in the road'.


Obama needs to stop Snowden from becoming a marter, a hero of some sort. Just when they had pushed the reset button with Russia all of it starting to fall apart. China is now looking at US with skeptism.  Not to mention the youth in the US who are also skeptical as to their privacy.  I could see Obama's approval polls are going to be lower than a snakes belly.


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  1. Neighsayer

    I think your masters would disapprove of you using the word “fair” the way you do. Most of us still know what it means.

    June 25, 2013
    1. Brn2bfree

      Yeah… tell me.

      June 25, 2013
  2. Neighsayer

    Obama doesn’t need to do anything, there are already laws and cops for situations like Snowden. In fact, Obama can make a great liberal show of not being upset about it.

    June 25, 2013
  3. livelonger

    I’m impressed. Brn appeared to be on the side of the party that wants military intervention everywhere and elimination of all social insurance. However, in this instance, he’s in favor of exposing State and military secrets. It might be a rare instance of that; but, anything to get the name Obama in a post will do. While Brn has an insane hate of Obama, we can expect any opportunity, especially when related to the price of fish in Alaska.

    June 25, 2013
  4. silent_sigh

    What exactly is a marter? If you are going to spew propaganda shouldnt you ar least utilize a respectable lexicon?

    A marter is a muted farter who later admits to his or her flatulence. He or she will fart silently, but later admit to it in order to restore order…

    June 25, 2013
    1. Neighsayer


      June 25, 2013
    2. Brn2bfree

      You’re reply realy stinks..

      June 25, 2013
      1. mrmacq

        understand there herr brn
        we are laughing at you
        not with you
        say did ya know you can open up multiple windows on the internet?
        and ya can even get “spiel” check
        for future reference
        …(stem μάρτυρ-, mártyr-) is somebody who suffers persecution and death for advocating, refusing to renounce, and/or refusing to advocate a belief or …

        and this is where that second window comes in handy
        and of course
        as per usual
        the rest of your post was unadulterated crap

        June 26, 2013
      2. mrmacq

        i think i just confused the lad again
        unadulterated adj. Not mingled or diluted with extraneous matter; pure.

        June 26, 2013
      3. mrmacq

        oh crap

        oops again
        1: existing on or coming from the outside 2. a: not forming an essential or vital part

        listen herr brn
        we shall attemt to keep it to the calibre of
        “see dick…see dick run…

        June 26, 2013
  5. mrmacq

    Russian President Vladimir Putin says Edward Snowden still in airport, signals no extradition
    Russian President Vladimir Putin bluntly rejected U.S. pleas to turn over National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden on Tuesday, saying he is free to travel wherever he wants and insisting that Russian security agencies haven’t contacted him.

    Snowden is in the transit zone of a Moscow airport and has not passed through Russian immigration, Putin said, meaning he is not technically in Russia.

    After arriving Sunday on a flight from Hong Kong, Snowden booked a seat on a Havana-bound flight from Moscow on Monday en route to Venezuela and then possible asylum in Ecuador, but he didn’t board the plane.

    Snowden’s whereabouts since then have been a mystery, and Putin’s comments were the first time Russia has made clear it knows where he is.

    Speculation has been rife that Russian security agencies might want to keep Snowden in Russia for a more thorough debriefing, but Putin denied that.

    “Our special services never worked with Mr. Snowden and aren’t working with him today,” Putin said at a news conference during a visit to Finland.

    Putin said that because there is no extradition agreement with the U.S., it couldn’t meet the U.S. request.

    “Mr. Snowden is a free man, and the sooner he chooses his final destination the better it is for us and for him,” Putin said. “I hope it will not affect the business-like character of our relations with the U.S. and I hope that our partners will understand that.”

    U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said Tuesday that though the United States does not have an extradition treaty with Russia, it wants Moscow to comply with common law practices between countries where fugitives are concerned.

    “We’re not looking for a confrontation,” Kerry said during a meeting in Saudi Arabia. “We’re not ordering anybody. We’re simply requesting, under a very normal procedure, for the transfer of somebody, just as we transferred to Russia seven people in the last two years that they requested that we did without any clamor, without any rancor, without any argument, and according to our sense of the appropriateness of meeting their request. And that’s what we would hope they would reciprocate with here today.”

    Putin’s staunch refusal to consider Snowden’s extradition reflects the Russian president’s readiness to further challenge Washington at a time when U.S.-Russian relations are already strained over Syria and a Russian ban on adoptions by Americans.

    A Kremlin decision to provide even temporary shelter and safe transit to Snowden would embarrass Washington. And despite Putin’s denial, analysts believe Russian special services wouldn’t miss the chance to question the man who is believed to hold reams of classified U.S. documents.

    Russia also relished using Snowden’s revelations to try to turn the tables on U.S. criticism of Russia’s rights record.

    Putin compared Snowden to WikiLeaks founder, Julian Assange, who has been provided asylum in the Ecuadorean Embassy in London, saying that both men were labeled criminals but consider themselves rights activists and champions of freedom of information.

    “Ask yourself a question: should people like that be extradited so that they put them in prison or not?” he said. “In any case, I would prefer not to deal with such issues.”

    Russian news media had reported Snowden remained in a transit zone of Moscow’s Sheremetyevo airport, but journalists there haven’t seen him.

    Legally, an arriving air passenger “crosses the border” after clearing immigration checks.

    Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov rejected the U.S. push for Snowden’s extradition earlier Tuesday, but wouldn’t specify his whereabouts, saying only that he hasn’t crossed the Russian border.

    “We consider the attempts to accuse Russia of violating U.S. laws and even some sort of conspiracy, which on top of all that are accompanied by threats, as absolutely ungrounded and unacceptable,” Lavrov said. “There are no legal grounds for such conduct by U.S. officials.”

    U.S. and Ecuadorean officials had said they believed Snowden was still in Russia.

    Kerry called for “calm and reasonableness.”

    “We would hope that Russia would not side with someone who is ‘a fugitive’ from justice,’” Kerry said.

    The U.S. has revoked Snowden’s passport.

    A representative of WikiLeaks has been traveling with Snowden, and the organization is believed to be assisting him in arranging asylum. Assange, the group’s founder, said Monday that Snowden was only passing through Russia and had applied for asylum in Ecuador, Iceland and possibly other countries.

    A high-ranking Ecuadorean official told The Associated Press that Russia and Ecuador were discussing where Snowden could go, saying the process could take days. He also said Ecuador’s ambassador to Moscow had not seen or spoken to Snowden. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the case publicly.

    Ecuador’s foreign minister, Ricardo Patino, hailed Snowden on Monday as “a man attempting to bring light and transparency to facts that affect everyone’s fundamental liberties.”

    “We’re following all the appropriate legal channels and working with various other countries to make sure that the rule of law is observed,” President Barack Obama told reporters.

    The Kremlin has previously said Russia would be ready to consider Snowden’s request for asylum.

    Snowden is a former CIA employee who later was hired as a contractor for the NSA. In that job, he gained access to documents that he gave to newspapers the Guardian and The Washington Post to expose what he contends are privacy violations by an authoritarian government.

    Snowden also told the South China Morning Post newspaper in Hong Kong that “the NSA does all kinds of things like hack Chinese cellphone companies to steal all of your SMS data.” He is believed to have more than 200 additional sensitive documents in laptops he is carrying.

    Some observers said in addition to the sensitive data, Snowden’s revelations have provided the Kremlin with propaganda arguments to counter the U.S. criticism of Russia’s crackdown on opposition and civil activists under Putin.

    “They would use Snowden to demonstrate that the U.S. government doesn’t sympathize with the ideals of freedom of information, conceals key information from the public and stands ready to open criminal proceedings against those who oppose it,” Konstantin Remchukov, the editor of independent daily Nezavisimaya Gazeta, said on Ekho Moskvy radio.

    Putin has accused the U.S. State Department of instigating protests in Moscow against his re-election for a third term in March and has taken an anti-American posture that plays well with his core support base of industrial workers and state employees.

    hmm it appears someones giving the good ole us of a the finger
    and not just the pinky
    sure wish our “mini me” would grow some brass ones
    ya know
    it werent that long ago the citizens of the us would have done in a heartbeat
    well ahead of anyone else
    oh well eh?

    June 26, 2013
  6. Brn2bfree

    What do you think Comrade Mac dudeski, is Snowden a hero or a traitor?
    Btw, thanks for the spell chekc

    June 26, 2013
  7. mrmacq

    “is Snowden a hero or a traitor?”
    i will answer this
    if you promise to not climb up on that soap box of yours
    and start spouting the bullshit crap you usually do
    in other words
    start conversing with people herr brn
    you know
    actually talk from within yourself?

    June 26, 2013
    1. Brn2bfree

      I’m trying …. give me a break. Quit bustin my balls already.

      June 26, 2013
      1. mrmacq

        they dont make nut crackers that petite
        guarantee me dude
        otherwise im not there

        June 26, 2013
  8. livelonger

    That’s a Luntz twist on emotion. One day Brn gripes about having to pay taxes for Obamacare, the next he gripes about free health care.The ‘stupid party’ is one thing, the ‘demented party’ is the same.

    June 25, 2013
  9. Brn2bfree

    He gives the perception of free health care. I bet you most of the low information voters think that Obama is going to provide free health care. … just like free Obama phones. For those people who can’t pay for their health care will get it for free… don’t you get it? How are you going to force them to pay?
    There are no links for reading between the lines.
    . You’re not as perceptive as I am. You look at Obama with glazed eyes, therefore you don’t see clearly as to all the scandals and so on. Or what he’s really saying.

    June 25, 2013
    1. livelonger

      “For those people who can’t pay for their health care will get it for free… don’t you get it? How are you going to force them to pay?”
      Those people who can’t pay for healthcare already get it for free (after paying taxes for years) from welfare, employee retirement benefits, or SS.
      Those low-paid workers pay for an insurance plan, have their employers pay for an insurance plan, or pay a ‘fine’ tax.
      If you gripe about paying a subsidy for the less-paid worker, gripe about farm and oil subsidies.

      June 25, 2013
      1. Brn2bfree

        What will happen is that those young people will be fined via their tax returns. They will pay for not using their health care… they will pay for others. There will always be this animosity towards the government … taking your tax returns because you didn’t pay your Obamacare bill is not going to set good wiht a lot of people.

        June 26, 2013
  10. Brn2bfree

    Ahh.. some good news coming from an Obamamite.

    June 25, 2013