Russia agrees with US Christian right

In Russia, as US Christian right-wingers want, people can educate youth that gay is bad; but people tolerating gays can't say that. The heartland would like that freedom of speech in the US.

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"Russia's lower house of parliament, the Duma, has passed a law imposing heavy fines for providing information about homosexuality to people under 18.
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The measure was passed unanimously and will become law when approved by the upper house and President Vladimir Putin, a virtual formality.
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The lower house also passed a bill imposing up to three years in jail on those who offend religious believers.
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The new law on "offending religious feelings of the faithful" will also take effect after approval by the upper house and the president.
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Under the new law, private individuals promoting "homosexual behaviour among minors" face fines of up to 5,000 roubles (£100; $155) while officials risk paying 10 times that amount. Businesses and schools could be fined up to 500,000 roubles.
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Homosexuality was decriminalised in Russia in 1993, but anti-gay sentiment is high.
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A recent poll found that nearly half of Russians believe that the gay and lesbian community should not enjoy the same rights as other citizens. "
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22862210

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  1. 12SunOryx

    Not surprising really. Putin is basically the Russian version of Bush. And they’ve become extremely Nationalist with the largest population of Neo-Nazis in the world in Moscow. Russians can look forward to even more restrictive and ridiculous laws so long as this continues.

    June 11, 2013
  2. mrmacq

    three years in jail on those who offend religious believers
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    now the religious right
    right here on this site
    are attempting to call atheism a religion
    so does this mean if any of us are in anyway “offended”
    that they too will land in jail?
    …just a thought that fluttered into my brain
    not to worry as its gone now…..

    June 11, 2013
  3. 29A

    “offending religious feelings of the faithful”
    I’m unaware of the Christian right attempting to silence the homosexual community or to criminalize it – they just wish to deny them equal rights. Now the Organization of the Islamic Conference has sponsored several anti-defamation resolutions at the UN, and Muslim countries who do criminalize homosexuality is who Russia truly agrees with.

    June 11, 2013
    1. livelonger

      There’s many differences between the US and Russia, so political groups have to pick the fights they can succeed in. The extreme Christian right has made it clear that they consider gays an abomination, or at least a mental disease, so many would criminalize gay in the same way as sodomy laws still are on books.
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      Russia has a very large majority of Muslims, with less Christian and Buddhist, so will pick the fight based on which can make peace among them. There’s little general acceptance of gay there, in contrast to other European nations and the US.

      June 11, 2013
      1. 29A

        According to Wikipedia, Russian Orthodox comprises 41% of the population, Muslims just 6.5%.
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        I agree, some Bible-thumpers secretly would like to criminalize homosexuality – the popular will just isn’t there. It’s academic anyway – sodomy laws may still be on the books in 14 states, but they have all been invalidated by the USSC’s Lawrence v. Texas, 2003. Anyway, the sodomy laws were written, not by today’s right, but by their 18th century predecessors. Of course the right got the mental disease idea from somewhere – until the 1970’s the ‘enlightened’ editors of the DSM-II had classification 302.0 – Sexual orientation disturbance (Homosexuality).

        June 12, 2013
        1. livelonger

          Wikipedia is correct about the population within Russia; but that leaves out the southern nations that broke away from the USSR that they still must deal with, such as Chechnya and the -stans that have large Muslim populations.

          June 12, 2013
          1. 29A

            “but that leaves out the southern nations that broke away from the USSR that they still must deal with, such as Chechnya and the -stans that have large Muslim populations.’
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            Deal with? I don’t see your meaning. Chechnya and several -stans are republics within the Russian federation and Wikipedia’s estimate still seems correct.

            June 13, 2013
          2. livelonger

            69 million people in the former satellites is a considerable comparison to the 143 million in Russia. The unrest among Muslims after the failure in Afghanistan, Chernobyl, and an inability to tax satellites under Socialism were among the breakup of the USSR. Chechnyan Muslims are still a threat.
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            “Estimates of the number of Muslims in Russia range from 7–9 million by local sources, to 15–20 million by Western and Islamic sources.214 There are approximately 3 to 4 million temporary Muslim migrants from the post-Soviet states.215 Most Muslims live in the Volga-Ural region, as well as in the Caucasus, Moscow, St. Petersburg and Western Siberia”
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            “The majority Kazakh[stan] citizens are Sunni of the Hanafi school, traditionally including ethnic Kazakhs, who constitute about 60% of the population, as well as by ethnic Uzbeks, Uighurs, and Tatars.” Official estimates put the population of Kazakhstan at 16.455 million as of February 2011,
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            “Islam is by far the dominant religion in Uzbekistan, as Muslims constitute 90% of the population while 5% of the population follow Russian Orthodox Christianity” 29,559,100 population
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            “According to the CIA World Factbook, Muslims constitute 89% of the population while 9% of the population are followers of the Eastern Orthodox Church and the remaining 2% religion is reported as non-religious.22 However, according to a 2009 Pew Research Center report, 93.1% of Turkmenistan’s population is Muslim” 5 million
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            “Islam is the dominant religion of Kyrgyzstan: 80% of the population is Muslim while 17% follow Russian Orthodoxy and 3% other religions.”
            5.2 million

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            “the population of Tajikistan is 98% Muslim, (approximately 95% Sunni and 3% Shia).65 The remaining 2% of the population are followers of Russian Orthodoxy, a variety of Protestant denominations, Catholicism, Zoroastrianism and Buddhism.” 7,349,145 population
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            There was also involvement in Afghanistan prior to US efforts there.
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            June 14, 2013
            1. 29A

              ‘Estimates of the number of Muslims in Russia range from 7–9 million by local sources, to 15–20 million by Western and Islamic sources. ’
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              That seems to be false. Wikipedia’s source for the quote is: ‘20Mln Muslims in Russia and mass conversion of ethnic Russians are myths – expert’
              http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=2869
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              The 69 million you list in comparison to Russia’s 143 million includes the independent satellites of Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, and Tajikistan? They are not part of the Russian Federation so I’m still not sure why they matter.

              June 14, 2013
            2. livelonger

              It doesn’t matter to Americans and Christians in Iowa much at all; they can diss and dismiss nations at their borders.
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              Russians still are close trading partners and involved with control, as is the US elsewhere, and trying to keep and gain influence in Syria, Iran and other Muslim nations.

              June 14, 2013
  4. johnmariow

    Interesting post.

    June 13, 2013
  5. 29A

    “The new law on “offending religious feelings of the faithful” will also take effect after approval by the upper house and the president. "
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    Update.
    The law might be revised to "protect the feelings of adherents of “non-traditional” religions and atheists as well. "
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    “Аccording to the just passed redaction of article 148 of the Russian Criminal Code, “public acts expressing manifest disrespect for society and carried out with the goal of insulting the feelings of religious believers” could bring fines of up to 300,000 rubles (over $9000) or up to a year of imprisonment, or fines of up to 500,000 rubles (over $15,000)—or up to three years in prison if the act is carried out in a place of worship or a place otherwise set aside for religious rituals or ceremonies (as was the famous Pussy Riot “punk prayer”).

    This redaction was approved by Russia’s higher legislative chamber, the Federation Council, on June 26, following the requisite three successful readings in the lower chamber, the State Duma. President Putin signed it into law on June 30, and it went into effect on July 1. But then something curious happened.

    In an interesting twist, the fact that the law protected the feelings of only the four “traditional” faiths of Russia—Christianity, Islam, Judaism, and Buddhism—led to the expression of concerns about potential discrimination not only from human rights organizations, but also from Putin’s cabinet. Suddenly, the drafters of the latest redaction, and apparently the Kremlin itself, seem to have accepted my atheist acquaintance’s reasoning with respect to the protection of her feelings.

    But instead of seeking to repeal the law, they’re seeking to expand its scope. According to Russian legislators associated with these efforts, revisions are underway to redact Article 148 yet again. Assuming these revisions go into effect, the law will now protect the feelings of adherents of “non-traditional” religions and atheists as well. How this will work in practice is anyone’s guess, but it seems likely to lead to a less open climate for public discourse. "

    July 20, 2013
    1. 29A

      http://www.salon.com/2013/07/20/in_russia_its_illegal_to_insult_the_feelings_of_religious_believers%e2%80%9d_partner/

      July 20, 2013
    2. livelonger

      Russia will be politically correct at the danger of fines and jail time.

      July 20, 2013