Differences between Bush's "Wide Receiver" and Obama's "Fast & Furious" explained for stupid liberals:

 

Differences between Bush's "Wide Receiver" and Obama's "Fast & Furious" explained for stupid liberals:

 
Wide Receiver - The number of guns used in the operation from the beginning until the end of the operation was 300
Fast & Furious - The number of guns used in the operation from the beginning until the end of the operation was 2,000

Wide Receiver - Guns were traced with miniature tracking devices and constant surveillance from ground and air.
Fast & Furious - No tracking devices were used, no surveillance was made whatsoever.


Wide Receiver - ATF agents were ordered to follow the gun smugglers every step of their trip from the gun store to the US/Mexico border.
Fast & Furious - ATF agents were ordered to stand down and not follow the gun smugglers after they left the gun store. The only surveillance was made through the gun store own video cameras; after gun smugglers left the store, the ATF agents were expressly ordered not to pursue.


Wide Receiver - Mexican army and police was in the loop about Wide Receiver. They took over the surveillance of the gun smugglers after they crossed with the guns in Mexico.
Fast & Furious - Mexican authorities were kept in the dark by the ATF and the US DOJ. They had no idea about Fast & Furious and the fact that guns provided to gun smugglers by the American authorities were "walked" in Mexico into the hands of drug cartel murderers.

Wide Receiver - When a small number of guns (30-40) were lost due to the malfunctioning tracking devices and / or because the gun smugglers figured out they were watched from a surveillance airplane flying overhead and learned how to take cover and evade, the operation Wide Receiver was immediately aborted and cancelled.
Fast and Furious - Operation continued even after ATF and DOJ lost track of all 2,000 guns sold to Mexican drug cartels

Wide Receiver - The operation was planned in such a way the gun smugglers and their cargo were kept under surveillance step by step, from the gun store to the US/Mexico border, across the border into Mexico and to their final destination: the hands of the drug cartel killers. This led to 1,400 arrests made in joint operations by the Mexican authorities and DEA and ATF agents. No lost Wide Receiver guns were recovered at crime scenes in Mexico or the US.
Fast & Furious - The operation was planned to let the guns go without any surveillance. Guns were supposed to be recovered at the murder scenes. One of the 150+ murder scenes where Fast & Furious guns were recovered was that of US border patrol agent Brian Terry; another one was the murder scene of ICE agent Jaime Zapata. So far DOJ and ATF didn't came with any explanation about how they were planning to make arrests of the drug cartel murderers BEFORE THEY KILLED PEOPLE with the Fast & Furious guns, and how they were supposed to do those arrest in Mexico without the Mexican authorities knowing anything about this operation.
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'The bottom line......
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Fast & Furious results: 300+Mexican citizens murdered; 2 US Federal agents murdered.
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Nothing like that happened with Bush you stupid idiots on the left !!!
 
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  1. Brn2bfree

    I think the reason why the Obama administration didn’t monitor the guns is because they wanted public outrage over Choas that this would create. The public outrage would be over assault weapons and it was designed to make it a reason to outlaw them… it basically back fired on them.

    July 07, 2013
    1. Brn2bfree

      We should outlaw liberals who always say…‘there should be a law for this…and a law for that’…

      July 08, 2013
    2. Brn2bfree

      What get’s me with your response is that … you didn’t dismiss my theory… about why the Obama administration did the ‘fast and furious’ the way they did. Outrage over ‘assault weapons’… I guess you agree…eh comrade Js?

      July 08, 2013
  2. livelonger

    Both Bush’s “Wide Receiver” and Obama’s “Fast & Furious” failed to catch the ‘high-ranking gun smuggler networks;’ mostly due to drug cartel practices of using many small purchasers, as done with banking transfers, and border drug transfers, using ‘Smurfs" to do the work.
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    Part of the problem is the insistence on freedom to purchase and own guns by the ’2nd amendment’ lobbies. If people can buy guns legally at gun shows and have no real trace on guns by registration, nor record of sale to friends, then guns are difficult to follow. Wiretaps are now looked upon as interference with free Americans. Federal attorneys have no real law to arrest small smugglers upon. The ones caught spent no more than 5 year sentences. The very same people who are refusing to pass laws to enable the ATF to trace guns are the ones making accusations that the ATF can’t do the job.
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    “However, other accounts of the operation insist that ATF agents were prevented from intervening not by ATF officials, but rather by federal prosecutors with the Attorney General’s office, who were unsure of whether the agents had sufficient evidence to arrest suspected straw-buyers.47 According to some reports, many agents insisted they were prevented from making arrests because prosecutors were unwilling to engage in what could become a potentially contentious political battle over Second Amendment rights during an election year, particularly given the difficult nature of prosecuting straw buyers, and the weak penalties associated with it, even if successful.47 Instead, prosecutors instructed ATF agents not to make arrests, but rather continue collecting evidence in order to build a stronger case. One tactic proposed for doing so was a wiretap of suspected straw-buyers, in an attempt to link the suspects to criminal activities taking place on the Mexican side of the border.47 Between March 20 and July 30, 2010, nine wiretaps were sought and approved by Justice Department officials, resulting in a significant delay in concluding the case”
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

    July 07, 2013
  3. deaconjim

    I don’t think anybody believes that Fast and Furious didn’t go wrong. But the RWNJ’s go after it like a pit bull after a steak, as if the whole scheme was dreamed up by Obama and Holder. Guess what, kiddies. It was going on under different names before 2009. Those ops failed also. I don’t defend the Obama administration on this issue. You guys should have been going after Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, and Mukasey just as hard as you are Obama and Holder. Maybe there wouldn’t have been a Fast and Furious if you cared this much about it back then.

    July 07, 2013
    1. mrmacq

      perfect response
      however that would require actual leveling of the feild
      a evenhandedness if you will
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      thats not how herr brn plays

      July 08, 2013
  4. deaconjim

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal
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    Operation Wide Receiver – With the use of surveillance equipment, ATF agents monitored additional sales by Detty to straw purchasers. With assurance from ATF “that Mexican officials would be conducting surveillance or interdictions when guns got to the other side of the border”, Detty would sell a total of about 450 guns during the operation. These included AR-15s, semi-automatic AK-pattern rifles, and Colt .38s. The majority of the guns were eventually lost as they moved into Mexico." Brn, your 300 falls a bit short of the truth and your claim that 30-40 guns were lost is also way off.
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    Operation Wide Receiver – As the later DOJ OIG Report documented, under Wide Receiver coordination of ATF Tucson with the ATF Mexico City Office (MCO) and with Mexican law enforcement had been haphazard. Discussions of getting tracking devices from Raytheon were not followed up. Brn, your claim that ATF tracked the guns to the border and then Mexican army and police tracked them after that doesn’t hold water. It also looks like your tracking devices got lost in the negotiations.
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    Operation Wide Receiver – At the time, under the Bush administration Department of Justice (DOJ), no arrests or indictments were made. After President Barack Obama took office in 2009, the DOJ reviewed Wide Receiver and found that guns had been allowed into the hands of suspected gun traffickers. Indictments began in 2010, over three years after Wide Receiver concluded. As of October 4, 2011 (2011-10-04), nine people had been charged with making false statements in acquisition of firearms and illicit transfer, shipment or delivery of firearms. As of November, charges against one defendant had been dropped; five of them had pled guilty, and one had been sentenced to one year and one day in prison. Two of them remained fugitives. Gee, Brn, where are those 1400 arrests you talked about?

    July 08, 2013
  5. 29A

    October 2009.
    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/president-obama-falsely-claims-fast-and-furious-program-begun-under-the-previous-administration/

    July 07, 2013
    1. Brn2bfree

      Guns don’t kill people… people kill people.

      July 07, 2013
    2. 29A

      Well, in this case, the gun fell into the wrong hands because the government/ATF allowed it. Imo, the Obama administration should have implemented better oversight as well as continued the coordination with Mexican officials. It does bug me that the NRA doesn’t support universal background checks, instead going with the conspiracy that the government is out to take the peoples’ guns.

      July 07, 2013